Graham Hancock Exposed

Graham Hancock Exposed

 

 Perhaps you've heard of the book author Graham Hancock. Perhaps you know he has a website to promote his books. Well, did you know that on that website is a message board which is really quite a little nest of vipers? It's a fact. If a person unwittingly joins that message board and doesn't post exactly what the crew of simpletons Hancock let's manage the forum want to hear, they will harass and insult you and if you complain about that, they'll simply terminate your membership. Yup, not only are Hancock and Bauval's books extremely silly, with theories about the Giza pyramids so bizarre that only a complete idiot would believe them, but if anyone happens to appear on their little forum with any valid discoveries or theories about the pyramids, they do everything they can to suppress it.

 Case in point. A person joins with the user name Horakhty and announces some stunning discoveries that actually make sense, unlike anything you'll ever read from Hancock and Bauval. Observe how he is treated. This is the actual forum thread. This gives you some idea of just how deplorable Hancock really is. Oh, he reads the forum and is well aware of every post, including these ones. The only possible conclusion is that he personally endorses everything his "moderators" did to Horakhty. This is unedited other than to remove the ads and headers, which are irrelevant to the forum content. You'll notice that there are at least three different people identifying themselves as moderators. Apparently Hancock has a whole team of these miscreants because abusing forum members can get a little fatiguing for one person so they trade off tag team style. Right after Horakhty's last post his membership was arbitrarily terminated, exactly as he knew full well would occur.

 This below is the worst case scenario of an Internet forum in which the moderators act like Nazis patrolling a concentration camp and tormenting the inmates at will. I seriously suggest you never purchase a book by Graham Hancock or his li'l buddy Robert Bauval because in addition to encouraging extreme forms of pseudoscience, you'll be condoning the conduct exhibited on an ongoing basis on his message board.

 

 Giza Super-Pyramids
Author: horakhty (24.224.214.---)
Date:   04-Apr-08 22:00

Mr. Schoch, although you are promoting your current book about the paranormal, I know you also have some interest in Giza. I would like to ask your opinion on something. Do you suppose the two large pyramids may have been designed as a unit and the third one added on as a separate item? It doesn't have the same "super" characteristics as the other two and appears to have simply been tacked on, probably on a mathematical basis making the N/S dimension of the complex come out to sqrt 3 x 1000 RC. Menkause is also known to have had a different mindset from that of Khufu and Khafre, so this is not really a very far fetched idea. The first two also have practically identical azimuths whereas the third is completely different. Whether or not the first two were actually constructed at the same time, they certainly appear to have been planned together and probably had their foundations set out at the same time, due to the similar azimuths, the remaining casing stones at the top of G2 having the same azimuth as the casing/sockets of G1, about 3 1/2 arc minutes West.

Of course, for this theory to have additional support I would need to show a single basis for the relative positions of G1 and G2. Let's see if we can figure this out, Mr. Schoch. The two greatest pyramids of Egypt would probably have to represent the two brightest stars in the Giza sky. That would be Sirius and Canopus. Let's take a look at those two stars when the star Phecda, of the Big Dipper/foreleg asterism, is on the North meridian in 2586 BC, not an unreasonable date. At that time, the star Megrez, in the same asterism, is at an azimuth of 3 1/2 arc minutes West. The pyramid builders obviously had the capability to ascertain when a star was right on the North meridian, but chose to set their pyramid azimuths to -3 1/2. This may explain why.

Here's an image from Starry Night, October 31, 2586 BC 4:16:23 AM with a QuickBird satellite image of Giza overlaid. I positioned the two stars so that they were as close as possible to being centered in the screen, Canopus the same distance from the bottom and left edge as Sirius from the top and right edge, to minimize distortion effects. Do you think this theory has any possibilities, Mr. Schoch?
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 Re: Giza Super-Pyramids
Author: horakhty (24.224.214.---)
Date:   04-Apr-08 22:42

Interestingly, the Pleiades were only about 3 degrees above the horizon and only slightly past the East meridian at that particular time. Maybe the Sphinx was looking at them.

Here's a quote I found about the Pleiades;

"Ancient Egyptian records translate the Pleiades as "Krittikas" , "female judges of mankind" - they primarily equated them as the Seven Hathors, whom the dead had to remember and speak the names of those Goddesses to pass their examination to enter the ancient Egyptian perception of paradise, which was in the distant stars" http://www.greatdreams.com/pleiades/7sisters.htm

Incidentally, I used the date October 31 because that is only a few weeks after Canopus and Sirius first become visible at night, due to darkness falling earlier, and because on that date the Sun is right above the top of the GP when it hits the South meridian near midday, looking up the North face of the pyramid. I don't know if that had any bearing on the reason for the GP slope angle but I might as well use that particular night as any other when the two stars were visible. The azimuth of Megrez would have been different if I'd used a different year than 2586, though. Can't say for sure if that was what the GP azimuth was set to, but it looks a valid possibility. Phecda is at the bottom rear of the bowl of the Dipper and Megrez is at the top of the same rear bowl edge. The bowl is actually upside down at the time shown, though, so Phecda is higher on the meridian than is Megrez.
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 Re: Giza Super-Pyramids
Author: horakhty (24.224.214.---)
Date:   04-Apr-08 23:15

The Pleiades were actually West rather than East. Forgot which way I was looking. Atlas, the star at the "tail" of the Pleiades, was only 2.399 minutes North of West at that time. Nothing particularly interesting in the East.
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 Re: Giza Super-Pyramids
Author: horakhty (24.224.214.---)
Date:   04-Apr-08 23:30

Something else interesting is that the whole Argo Navis constellation is visible on the South horizon, looking much like the boat found buried on the South side of the GP. I think there really is something to this new theory. By "new", i mean just before I made the first post. I just discovered this like an hour ago.
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 Re: Giza Super-Pyramids
Author: horakhty (24.224.214.---)
Date:   05-Apr-08 01:03

Did Khufu have any connection to the goddess Isis, associated with Sirius? From the Hawass website;

"To the east of the pyramid of Queen Henutsen the inventory stela was found, which mentions that Khufu found the temple of Isis beside the sphinx. Based on the writing style and scenes of gods, Egyptologists have dated the text to the Late Period."http://guardians.net/hawass/khufu.htm

There is no evidence whatsoever connecting Khufu to Orion, or Osiris. With a choice of his pyramid, the greatest pyramid in all Egypt, depicting either Sirius or Alnitak, I'd have to go with Sirius. Alnitak is simply not a serious candidate as the most important star to the Ancient Egyptians, or the one depicted by such a grand structure as the Great Pyramid. Sirius meets all qualifications and is the only star in the entire sky that does. Even Robert Bauval would have to agree with that. How, then, can he continue to say that the Great Pyramid represents such an unremarkable star as Alnitak when I have just shown a perfect correlation with Sirius at the same time as a perfect correlation between G2 and the second brightest star Canopus?

In regard to the year I used for the Starry Night image, 2585 also works well for the Megrez azimuth to match the GP's.
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 Re: Giza Super-Pyramids
Author: horakhty (24.224.214.---)
Date:   05-Apr-08 13:25

Alright, I think I see how the Robert Schoch author of the month forum will be working. People will address him and he will completely ignore them. Now that we understand the format, we can simply talk amongst ourselves for the rest of the month, probably not about his book, but some other stuff.
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 Moderator warning
Author: JonnyMcA (90.208.248.---)
Date:   05-Apr-08 13:47

horakhty wrote:

> Alright, I think I see how the Robert Schoch author of the
> month forum will be working. People will address him and he
> will completely ignore them. Now that we understand the format,
> we can simply talk amongst ourselves for the rest of the month,
> probably not about his book, but some other stuff.

Be respectful,

Dr Schoch is a very busy man, with teaching as well as university administration duties as well as his own research. He has kindly agreed to be author of the month for us and will reply during his free time.

feel free to others on the boards or even talk to yourself on this thread, but however you go about it, do so with respect and decorum to others.

This is an Official Moderator warning to you. Too many people recently have been rude and disrespectful to our Author of the Month guests. Such attitude is childish and does not help in securing future guests.

Jonny

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 Re: Giza Super-Pyramids
Author: horakhty (24.224.214.---)
Date:   05-Apr-08 23:36

I think I'll talk to myself on this thread for a while. I have official permission to do that.

Self, what do you think of my idea that G1 and G2 depict Sirius and Canopus? Why, I think it is the only Giza stellar correlation theory that actually makes sense. It is very nice indeed. Good work, Horakhty. I never did think the OCT made much sense and now I see why, because those were the wrong stars. Sirius was the single most important star to the AE, therefore it is most appropriate that the most important pyramid of all should depict it. Thank you, Horakhty, for clearing up the mystery of the Giza Super-Pyramids. Thank goodness the truth has finally been revealed. Since nobody else on this forum has expressed appreciation for what you have done, let me congratulate you on your historic breakthrough. Why, thank you, self, you are a breath of fresh air. May I congratulate you on being the first to congratulate me? Indubitably, Horakhty.
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 Re: Moderator warning
Author: jawest (205.188.117.---)
Date:   06-Apr-08 02:27

JonnyMcA wrote:

> Dr Schoch is a very busy man, with teaching as well as
> university administration duties as well as his own research.
> He has kindly agreed to be author of the month for us and will
> reply during his free time.
>
> feel free to others on the boards or even talk to yourself on
> this thread, but however you go about it, do so with respect
> and decorum to others.

Hi Jonny,
I respect your point of view and appreciate your warning, but may I exclude myself and my own opponents from it? Anyone can be as disrespectful as they like when addressing me. And I, needless to say, claim the same privilege.
>
> This is an Official Moderator warning to you. Too many people
> recently have been rude and disrespectful to our Author of the
> Month guests. Such attitude is childish and does not help in
> securing future guests.

I'm not so sure of that latter point. It's part of the fun.

jaw

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 Re: Giza Super-Pyramids
Author: horakhty (24.224.214.---)
Date:   06-Apr-08 02:57

I don't think anyone has to worry about Mr. Schoch being offended by my post, since I predict he'll never read it. That's not me being disrespectful, it's me being prophetic. Are there any rules against prophesying on this forum? Maybe my prophesy will prove to be incorrect. But if it IS correct, that will be a demonstration of a paranormal occurrence, like those which may be discussed in Mr. Schoch's new book, which I'm sure you can find at Amazon.com. Buy it today.
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 Re: Moderator warning
Author: JonnyMcA (90.204.126.---)
Date:   06-Apr-08 10:08

Hi John,

Thank you for your comments. I myself believe that there is a time and a place for such remarks. As moderators it is our job to judge when the mark has been overstepped.

One can have a somewhat respectful disrespect (one has only to read academic journals to note the undertones of this towards ceratin research groups), but there is no excuse for rudeness, such as the part that Horakhty has shown in his lack of patience with Robert Schoch.

I noticed that you enjoyed the last round of AoM (as did many others) :D

Jonny

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 Re: Moderator warning
Author: horakhty (24.224.214.---)
Date:   06-Apr-08 14:05

Do you mean disrespect like calling another forum member's very scientific Giza theory "haphazard guesswork"? Yeah, I can see how that would be VERY disrespectful. So what are you going to do about THIS guy, Mr. McA? This was address to me on my own thread Stellar Correlations;

"Author: JonnyMcA (90.204.126.---)
Date: 06-Apr-08 10:43

Honestly,

I dont care if Giza was laid out to depict a universal happy face or bright stars in the sky, (though it would be astounding if they were), and I have absolutly no intention of looking for a solution to the problem.

I am well aware of the progression of a model or theory. I appreciate development of ideas, but usually this involves refinement of a theory not hapahazard guess work. You obviously believed a priori that the giza site had to have a stellar significance and then set about looking through the stellar catalogue for configurations of stars that closely matched. Thus you have biased your own ideas from the start, refusing to believe that maybe, such correlatioons do not exsist, or that indeed, one and only one correlation exsist, namely that as found by Robert Bauval.

Jonny"
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 Re: Giza Super-Pyramids
Author: quixote (99.247.240.---)
Date:   06-Apr-08 14:26

I find your complete lack of patience a real problem. As you have already been told, these authors are busy people with lives that don't revolve around responding to message board queries.

Not only that, the author has every right in the world to choose, for whatever reason, not to respond to any of the posts directed toward him. I learned my lesson when Hoagland was AoM and his schedule kept him away for a few days - some of us thought he was just avoiding the tough questions but nothing could have been further from the truth.

Why do you appear to have so much invested in a reply from this AoM? Be patient, be respectful, and with any luck you'll get your reply. I'm thinking you have had very little real life experience because I just can't believe how impatient you are - not to mention disrespectful. Maybe you came in here with an axe to grind? Chip on your shoulder?

Anyway this isn't my battle to fight - just thought you could hear it from one of us 'regular' folk, that patience isn't a virtue you apparently hold - and you need to learn to have respect.

regards
Mike

"Don't say I'm out of touch with this rampant chaos - your reality. I know well what lies beyond my sleeping refuge ... the nightmare I built my own world to escape" - evanescence
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 Re: Moderator warning
Author: JonnyMcA (90.204.126.---)
Date:   06-Apr-08 15:58

Personally I dont see how my comments to you on the other thread was disrespectful, as you did say to me to find a better solution than your own, for which I explained that I had no interest, nor time to do so, and that it mattered little to me how the Giza platau is laid out. I also explained to you the method of how a scientific theory develops, and being a scientist myself, it is something that I am well versed in.

The only comment I made that can be construed as disrespectful is that I find your method akin to haphazard guesswork, and I hereby give myself (Dr McA my first moderator warning, but you are disillusioned if you think that your Giza correlation theories are scientific, or that how you arrived at your conclusions is scientific. Super imposing constellation images, stripped from stellar cartography software, onto satellite images does not merit itself as a scientific endeavour.

However, throwing mud at each other over apparant disrespectful behaviour is distracting from the contents of this thread. If you have a problem with me then please take it up with my fellow moderators.

Jonny

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 Re: Giza Super-Pyramids
Author: horakhty (24.224.214.---)
Date:   06-Apr-08 20:34

QUOTE;

"Author: quixote (99.247.240.---)
Date: 06-Apr-08 14:26

I find your complete lack of patience a real problem. As you have already been told, these authors are busy people with lives that don't revolve around responding to message board queries.

Not only that, the author has every right in the world to choose, for whatever reason, not to respond to any of the posts directed toward him. I learned my lesson when Hoagland was AoM and his schedule kept him away for a few days - some of us thought he was just avoiding the tough questions but nothing could have been further from the truth.

Why do you appear to have so much invested in a reply from this AoM? Be patient, be respectful, and with any luck you'll get your reply. I'm thinking you have had very little real life experience because I just can't believe how impatient you are - not to mention disrespectful. Maybe you came in here with an axe to grind? Chip on your shoulder?

Anyway this isn't my battle to fight - just thought you could hear it from one of us 'regular' folk, that patience isn't a virtue you apparently hold - and you need to learn to have respect.

regards
Mike"

I don't recall saying I was particularly concerned about whether the AoM replied to my, or anyone else's, posts. I simply made a comment that he hadn't replied to any yet and I made a whimsical remark about that being the apparent format. I guess I'm the only one here with a sense of humor. A rather sad situation, in my opinion. You guys really make the forum so much lighthearted fun. That's known as sarcasm. It's a form of humor. You know, something that makes you laugh. Look up "laugh" on Google.
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 Re: Giza Super-Pyramids
Author: Ahatmose (24.57.231.---)
Date:   06-Apr-08 21:43

Personally, I think you're a genius, Horakhty. How did Robert Bauval manage to miss the Sirius correlation? Oh, right, because he was obcessed with Orion's belt, the first thing he laid eye's on when looking up in the sky one night. Very scientific method, Bauval, you dumb putz.

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 Moderator Warning #2
Author: Hoppy (206.255.94.---)
Date:   06-Apr-08 23:36

Hi horakhty,

Your sarcasm exceeds your sense of humor.
Your continued snide, disrespectful remarks are unacceptable.
Point 1; You can disagree without being disrespectful, but you have not.
Point 2; You can be sarcastic without being disrespectful, but you have not.

Hence, this is your 2nd warning.
One more, on any board of GHMB, and your account will be terminated.

Do not reply to this warning.
Reply by e-mail to any Moderator.

Hoppy/Moderator
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 Re: Moderator Warning #2
Author: horakhty (24.224.214.---)
Date:   07-Apr-08 01:33

Fine, Hoppy, fine. From now on I will be so careful about how I phrase my posts that nobody could possibly misconstrue their meaning. Now, did anybody notice that I solved the Giza Super-pyramids mystery? Does that not interest anyone here and, if not, pray tell why not? Is the Giza mystery not what this forum is about? I mean I know this particular AoM forum is about Mr. Schoch's paranormal book, but the whole website in general is about the mystery of Giza more than any other single subject, is it not? Why, then, the apparent apathy for what I consider a major breakthrough in the subject of the Giza pyramids? Can someone please explain that to me?
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 Re: Giza Super-Pyramids
Author: horakhty (24.224.214.---)
Date:   07-Apr-08 01:48

Have you solved Giza yet, Mr. Barone? Simple question.
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 Re: Moderator Warning #2
Author: Warwick (24.64.223.---)
Date:   07-Apr-08 02:06

you allready have a thread with numerous responces in it. Why bounce all over teh place repeating teh same thing? That anmounts to nothing more than Spamming

If noone finds your post here compelling, then obviously they are not impressed with your supposed discovery.

Personally I see no mystery to solve in the first place.


Warwick

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 Re: Moderator Warning #2
Author: jawest (64.12.117.---)
Date:   07-Apr-08 02:12

Hoppy, and following, Ahatmose,

I disagree 104 1/2% (to be specific and just in case Solenhofen reads this and wants exact measurements.)

No! Nobody is obliged to show 'respect' though it is true that if someone calls you an *******, its tempting to call him one back, and it descends into a slanging match, which is not productive, agreed.

Nevertheless, disrespect comes with the territory, and if the aom's can't handle it, that's their problem, not the disrespectors'.

In fact, opposition, however voiced and no matter how abusive, provides perhaps the most important 'spiritual' lesson consistently available to any of us.

'Whoever and whatever presses your buttons is your master.' Period. No discussion . If my buttons are pressed, I lose, I am a slave. It doesn't even matter if I'm 'right', I'm still a slave if my buttons get pressed.

Slavery is not a comfortable state to live in - though most do.

Praise is of course gratifying, nobody dislikes praise, but it doesn't address the global, universal button pressing problem. Only opposition does.

So let 'em at it ... up to a point of course, and no doubt my point is well beyond your point. I stop short at assassination threats. Anything else goes. As for the disrespectors/abusers, the attitude is counterproductive, since it guarantees them no hearing, which is what they want from us.

There is no need to exclude Horachty, his attitude will do it for him.

jaw

Hoppy wrote:

> Hi horakhty,
>
> Your sarcasm exceeds your sense of humor.
> Your continued snide, disrespectful remarks are unacceptable.
> Point 1; You can disagree without being disrespectful, but you
> have not.
> Point 2; You can be sarcastic without being disrespectful, but
> you have not.
>
> Hence, this is your 2nd warning.
> One more, on any board of GHMB, and your account will be
> terminated.
>
> Do not reply to this warning.
> Reply by e-mail to any Moderator.
>
> Hoppy/Moderator

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 Re: Moderator Warning #2
Author: Archae Solenhofen (216.211.14.---)
Date:   07-Apr-08 02:52

jawest wrote:

>Hoppy, and following, Ahatmose,
>
>I disagree 104 1/2% (to be specific and just in case
>Solenhofen reads this and wants exact measurements.)

No, just 100% is all I am interested in, since I might suspect that that other 4.5% is not necessarily in the realm of the real. Should I ask Dr. Schoch to provide the location of his measurement of "perhaps" more than 6.5 feet of erosion and just assume that's where the 12 feet is as well?

Archae Solenhofen (solenhofen@hotmail.com)
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 Re: Moderator Warning #2
Author: horakhty (24.224.214.---)
Date:   07-Apr-08 02:53

Mr. West, I agree with everything you said. We are very alike. I think we must both be adults, Mr. West. We don't need the grit removed from our oatmeal before we eat it and we ask no quarter from those who would besiege us. You're a credit to the spirit of searching for the truth, Mr. West, and in true debating. Thank you for being here and speaking the truth no matter what. I try to do that too, but I'm inevitably booted off forums like this when I do. They just can't take it. I don't think they'll boot YOU off, Mr. West, now will you Hoppy?
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 Re: Moderator Warning #2
Author: Warwick (70.67.232.---)
Date:   07-Apr-08 03:03

instead of toadying up to someone who couldn't care less what you think of him ..why not respond to the questions I have asked concerning your theory? You were making such a fuss about being ignored that I went and had a look at what you were proposing.

and please be quick about it before your wish is granted

"I'm inevitably booted off forums like this"


warwick

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 Re: Moderator Warning #2
Author: horakhty (24.224.214.---)
Date:   07-Apr-08 03:12

This individual is being very offensive. I am now politely requesting him to cease and desist.
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 Re: Moderator Warning #2
Author: Warwick (24.64.223.---)
Date:   07-Apr-08 03:16

I was merely offering up a satirical object lesson...those are the terms of engagement that you proposed not me.

I Have asked serious questions that if properly addressed wil give you an opportunity to expand on your theory.

If you do not wish to do so I will fight for your rights in that regard

But please dio not insult this board's intelligence by suggesting that I am being offensive


warwick

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 Re: Moderator Warning #2
Author: horakhty (24.224.214.---)
Date:   07-Apr-08 03:19

I am now requesting this individual to cease addressing meas I have no interest in engaging him in conversation.
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 exactly!!!
Author: Warwick (24.64.223.---)
Date:   07-Apr-08 03:22

"I have no interest in engaging him in conversation."

hear endeth the lesson


warwick

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 Re: Giza Super-Pyramids
Author: horakhty (24.224.214.---)
Date:   07-Apr-08 03:26

Promise?
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 Re: Giza Super-Pyramids
Author: cliffrover (144.226.173.---)
Date:   07-Apr-08 21:31

Wow!! After reading this entire thread, beginning to end, and not wanting to take sides, I can't help feel horakhty, for no good reason, is being asked to self censor so as to keep from "pushing the moderators buttons" as JAW put it.

I see no disrespect in horakhty's posts, some sarcasm and humor yes…but no disrespect. There's nothing wrong with thinking out loud about your prospects of being replied to by the AOM.

I do, however, see moderators replying to horakhty with some disrespect though, and also see that they can tolerate dishing it out much better than they tolerate receiving (or other receiving).

The rules should be simple...If no one is cursing and swearing at you, if no one is making a threat against someone else, then why try to cut off what they have to say, no matter how offensive or disagreeable you find it. That's just plain censorship and that's what should not be tolerated.

Moderators, please try to be a little more tolerant and a little less sensitive. If Dr. Schoch finds certain postings offensive, rude or disrespectful, I'm sure he's a big boy and can handle it himself. Perhaps he's like Mr. West and actually respects disrespectfulness.
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